1 00:00:04,610 --> 00:00:02,510 okay now for our interview with Gary 2 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:04,620 Voorhees I started by asking him about 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:07,350 when he first saw the Tic Tacs with his 4 00:00:13,009 --> 00:00:10,650 own eyes yeah the big guys on the ship 5 00:00:18,380 --> 00:00:13,019 they're pretty heavily you know they're 6 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,390 they're massive oculars if you uh if you 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:21,270 searched navy big guys on the internet 8 00:00:23,710 --> 00:00:22,650 you'll see exactly what I'm talking 9 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:23,720 about 10 00:00:28,279 --> 00:00:27,180 was there a line of people looking to 11 00:00:31,099 --> 00:00:28,289 use those things to check these things 12 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:31,109 out no because he kind of you kind of 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:32,369 have to be a little slick to get out on 14 00:00:37,940 --> 00:00:35,370 a bridge wink dude well were in transit 15 00:00:40,220 --> 00:00:37,950 like we are when we were doing this you 16 00:00:42,979 --> 00:00:40,230 don't you don't really want to be up 17 00:00:45,709 --> 00:00:42,989 there as very long because it's actually 18 00:00:48,529 --> 00:00:45,719 pretty chilly with the wind and it's it 19 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:48,539 you know you get there's nothing there's 20 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:51,780 just you the big guys and then nothing 21 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:53,670 in front of you so there's nothing to 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:56,129 break the wind as the ships moving and 23 00:01:00,500 --> 00:00:57,690 how many times did you get on the big 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:00,510 guys to check these things out over the 25 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:06,810 week I probably went up there about 26 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:09,990 maybe 14 or 15 times and was only able 27 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:12,270 to actually see something maybe five 28 00:01:19,550 --> 00:01:16,920 times and who else went up there as far 29 00:01:22,010 --> 00:01:19,560 as you know I've heard a couple of the 30 00:01:23,330 --> 00:01:22,020 other people have gone up there like 31 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:23,340 when you go up to the bridge wing unless 32 00:01:26,899 --> 00:01:25,200 you're like an officer or somebody that 33 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:26,909 somebody's not going to question you 34 00:01:32,539 --> 00:01:29,790 tend to kind of just me interrupt there 35 00:01:35,090 --> 00:01:32,549 see what you can see and then come back 36 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:35,100 in so that you don't really so nobody 37 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:36,630 early asked any questions or you don't 38 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:38,729 get in trouble and about how many people 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:42,150 were on the Preston I think there's a 40 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:49,170 complement of about 500 or so would you 41 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:51,869 say that all 500 were aware of the 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:54,720 incident at the time I wouldn't say all 43 00:02:01,850 --> 00:01:57,930 500 were aware but I could say anybody 44 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:01,860 with the secret clearance was does that 45 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:04,079 mean that you weren't supposed to talk 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:07,860 about it no just the their jobs didn't 47 00:02:10,749 --> 00:02:09,810 really entail being anywhere I mean they 48 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:10,759 might have heard that 49 00:02:15,610 --> 00:02:13,760 tracking unknowns or maybe you know a 50 00:02:17,619 --> 00:02:15,620 little bit here and there about it but I 51 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:17,629 wouldn't say that they were like briefed 52 00:02:21,610 --> 00:02:19,310 on it or anything like that they would 53 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:21,620 only know the you know whoever whatever 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:23,810 we said on the smoke deck and that's 55 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:25,370 kind of what I was referring to I'm just 56 00:02:31,119 --> 00:02:26,959 kind of trying to get a picture of how a 57 00:02:33,399 --> 00:02:31,129 buzz the ship was about this too the 58 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:33,409 more informed you know the people with 59 00:02:39,430 --> 00:02:35,599 higher clearances that were involved in 60 00:02:43,569 --> 00:02:39,440 combat and standing launches you know we 61 00:02:47,229 --> 00:02:43,579 were all talking about it but oh you 62 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:47,239 just cut out yeah hold on sorry okay 63 00:02:51,190 --> 00:02:49,370 you're back yeah I had some I've muted 64 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:51,200 myself I just said some people come into 65 00:02:57,369 --> 00:02:53,690 the house so just trying to spare you 66 00:02:59,649 --> 00:02:57,379 that okay okay but uh the yeah so it's 67 00:03:01,960 --> 00:02:59,659 like the you know junior personnel or 68 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:01,970 deck deck personnel things like that I 69 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:04,310 mean unless they were interested in it 70 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:07,730 they really wouldn't you know even care 71 00:03:12,339 --> 00:03:09,769 unless like you're about to go to combat 72 00:03:15,069 --> 00:03:12,349 action stations or we're gonna go to DQ 73 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:15,079 or something like that and during about 74 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:17,690 what was at about six days that you guys 75 00:03:23,619 --> 00:03:20,810 were seeing them yeah over over the 76 00:03:24,849 --> 00:03:23,629 entire week it was probably we were 77 00:03:26,830 --> 00:03:24,859 probably out for a couple of days before 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:26,840 we started seeing them or you before I 79 00:03:33,369 --> 00:03:30,290 was aware of them I was mostly made of 80 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:33,379 wares just because the spy technicians 81 00:03:38,379 --> 00:03:35,930 had to you know one of them was talking 82 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:38,389 to me about it on a smoke break and then 83 00:03:41,979 --> 00:03:40,160 that's when I kind of got interested and 84 00:03:44,619 --> 00:03:41,989 then he said that we were gonna have to 85 00:03:46,629 --> 00:03:44,629 recalibrate spy and the standby because 86 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:46,639 I got a I run all their computer systems 87 00:03:51,009 --> 00:03:49,250 that run the spider radar so when they 88 00:03:52,659 --> 00:03:51,019 do their calibrations so basically just 89 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:52,669 stand by and wait for them to restate 90 00:03:58,330 --> 00:03:55,060 and say to reset the computer systems 91 00:04:02,110 --> 00:03:58,340 and then not a fabulous job but it's uh 92 00:04:03,729 --> 00:04:02,120 you know it runs all of them right so 93 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:03,739 the story is that they were in count 94 00:04:07,149 --> 00:04:05,180 they're seeing these things weren't sure 95 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:07,159 what they were and ask you guys to 96 00:04:11,649 --> 00:04:09,049 recalibrate the system thinking that 97 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:11,659 maybe it's a system error well that's so 98 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:13,220 much of a system error but we just had 99 00:04:16,990 --> 00:04:14,540 to make sure if you're gonna give them 100 00:04:18,909 --> 00:04:17,000 go tell the captain that uh you know 101 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:18,919 we're tracking unknown aircraft you'd 102 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:20,570 better be damn sure that it's an actual 103 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:23,680 thing so it was more of a Prakash 104 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:25,330 clutter generally gets naturally 105 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:28,510 filtered out by the spy system so like 106 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:30,280 say if there was you know dense 107 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:33,220 formations and like a cloud or you know 108 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:34,720 if it was something that wasn't like 109 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:38,410 particularly a solid object but it was 110 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:40,900 seeming you know solid at times because 111 00:04:45,810 --> 00:04:43,840 of how dense it was then it might show 112 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:45,820 up first what second or two but then 113 00:04:51,390 --> 00:04:50,110 would quickly get filtered out and you 114 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:51,400 mentioned the captain that's Captain 115 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:53,770 Smith that would be correct 116 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:57,340 what what is his first name I will read 117 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:00,430 back right yeah well captain were 118 00:05:08,450 --> 00:05:03,970 captains we use called him red it was 119 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:08,460 James Smith if I wanted if I wanted 120 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:11,230 that's that's what I want to say but 121 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:13,510 yeah he come on board right after we got 122 00:05:18,090 --> 00:05:16,450 back from deployment I didn't know him 123 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:18,100 very well cuz I left the ship right 124 00:05:23,730 --> 00:05:21,280 after that but I just remember everybody 125 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:23,740 call him captain red and he was at the 126 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:26,650 in the highest position on that ship he 127 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:29,410 was in charge yeah and at the time I was 128 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:31,630 only four so you get a remember I'm not 129 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:33,370 gonna have a whole lot of interaction 130 00:05:38,909 --> 00:05:36,610 with captain mhm and then he would have 131 00:05:42,150 --> 00:05:38,919 reported to the head of the whole Strike 132 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:42,160 Group usually the embark commander on 133 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:44,290 the carrier usually the carrier will 134 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:45,790 have a captain and then they'll be an 135 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:47,110 American of our commander which is 136 00:05:56,159 --> 00:05:53,700 Admiral lower half or something of that 137 00:05:58,409 --> 00:05:56,169 nature on the carrier he's running the 138 00:06:00,480 --> 00:05:58,419 entire strike group and then each 139 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:00,490 captain is control of their own ships 140 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:03,010 and then so the issues the orders would 141 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:06,310 be issued from him down and and up and 142 00:06:09,690 --> 00:06:07,960 then of course there's always Messick 143 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:09,700 trek message traffic that comes from 144 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:12,010 every ship - and that's coming out of 145 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:16,810 our cess which is just a it's a it's a 146 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:18,880 beyond top secret room because it's a 147 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:21,100 SCSI top-secret meaning that you have to 148 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:23,050 have a specific type of clearance to be 149 00:06:26,310 --> 00:06:24,730 in there even if you have top secret you 150 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:26,320 can't just be in there unless you have 151 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:28,390 clearance to be in there that's actually 152 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:31,870 the same room that Jason Turner was able 153 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:35,680 to actually see this film on because in 154 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:36,820 his position as 155 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:39,370 soare keeper he's got access to that 156 00:06:45,750 --> 00:06:42,660 room because he delivers their parts and 157 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:45,760 any anything that they or he actually 158 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:49,210 has to hand deliver into that room so 159 00:06:57,090 --> 00:06:52,300 during this week how obsessed were you 160 00:07:00,000 --> 00:06:57,100 with these objects for me I was a bit 161 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:00,010 obsessed about it just because I didn't 162 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:01,030 know what they were and you got to 163 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:02,310 remember they weren't doing anything 164 00:07:09,090 --> 00:07:05,740 crazy or fantastic or you know 165 00:07:10,890 --> 00:07:09,100 mind-bending until the f18 166 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:10,900 interrogations happen so these things 167 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:13,270 are just basically doing like a hundred 168 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:14,830 knots just floating and doing nothing 169 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:16,210 they're not coming at us they're not 170 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:18,970 trying to engage us there they're just 171 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:22,060 these benign floating things just doing 172 00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:23,710 a hundred knots due south and then 173 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:27,280 disappearing from time to time which 174 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:30,310 means at that point they could have been 175 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:34,420 some type of drone right could have been 176 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:39,100 a drone it could have been it could have 177 00:07:46,110 --> 00:07:42,760 been a lot of things I don't know what 178 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:46,120 they were I mean like I said before I 179 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:48,190 know a lot of people want to believe 180 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:50,080 it's aliens or some people want to 181 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:51,810 believe that it's our secret military 182 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:54,310 government projects or anything like 183 00:07:58,830 --> 00:07:57,070 that the only thing I know is that these 184 00:08:00,720 --> 00:07:58,840 things were working on levels of physics 185 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:00,730 that we don't understand even even today 186 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:02,680 we gave a better idea of how they could 187 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:05,610 have worked today through a lot of the 188 00:08:09,150 --> 00:08:07,840 more modern stuff that's happening 189 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:09,160 within the last couple of years with 190 00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:14,860 quantum physics but these things once 191 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:16,900 they were interrogated by the f-18 they 192 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:19,510 mean it is blade abilities you know such 193 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:21,580 advanced technology and that's what 194 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:23,260 piqued my interest because honestly 195 00:08:26,510 --> 00:08:24,970 prior to that I didn't give a damn other 196 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:26,520 than it was just something interesting 197 00:08:31,050 --> 00:08:28,810 yeah and that's kind of my point is that 198 00:08:33,959 --> 00:08:31,060 from what you observed until they were 199 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:33,969 intercepted was something that could 200 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:36,640 have had a relatively benign explanation 201 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:38,050 could have just been drones out there 202 00:08:44,219 --> 00:08:40,120 right I mean something traveling at a 203 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:44,229 hundred knots considered slow well it 204 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:45,520 seems that they're slow but I mean it'd 205 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:47,410 be they'd be fast for a balloon unless 206 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:48,520 it was caught in a trade 207 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:50,350 or you know something like that I mean 208 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:52,270 balloons can go pretty fast if they get 209 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:55,510 a good enough wind it could have been 210 00:08:58,890 --> 00:08:57,160 some type of ultra that they could have 211 00:09:00,780 --> 00:08:58,900 been ultra lights they could have been a 212 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:00,790 lot of different things I don't think 213 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:02,560 anybody beating nuts enough that's why I 214 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:04,900 ultra like that far out into the open 215 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:07,330 ocean but you know I mean people fly 216 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:09,850 down the sides of mountains too so yeah 217 00:09:13,950 --> 00:09:12,130 so bottom line at that stage I mean 218 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:13,960 still today of course there you ApS but 219 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:15,670 at that stage in your mind there there 220 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:19,810 you ApS is that the first time that you 221 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:23,080 had ever encountered you ApS that's 222 00:09:26,610 --> 00:09:24,790 pretty much the first weird thing that 223 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:26,620 ever happened in the entire time I was 224 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:27,160 in the service 225 00:09:33,390 --> 00:09:31,660 mm-hm and nothing since then no nothing 226 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:33,400 since then but I'll be honest with you 227 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:35,260 I'm guilty of being one of these people 228 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:40,960 that don't look up very often so then 229 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:42,490 they send them out for the intercept and 230 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:44,740 that's where they display this 231 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:51,060 incredible supersonic speed etc were you 232 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:53,550 listening in 233 00:09:59,700 --> 00:09:56,890 when flavor was going out there to 234 00:10:01,680 --> 00:09:59,710 inspect these things I know I actually 235 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:01,690 got got word that they were doing 236 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:04,150 interrogation from another technician 237 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:06,850 and we actually you know he's like yeah 238 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:10,240 we're watching it up in spy so we went 239 00:10:15,060 --> 00:10:13,930 up for this the spy and watched it and 240 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:15,070 we were watching 241 00:10:22,530 --> 00:10:19,140 impression that it was live but 242 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:22,540 apparently it may not have been so but 243 00:10:26,070 --> 00:10:24,460 nobody specifically told me it was live 244 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:26,080 so I think it was just an impression 245 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:28,000 that I had at the time because of the 246 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:29,380 way people were talking you know they're 247 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:30,700 like god they're doing the they're doing 248 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:32,920 the interrogation and the first time I 249 00:10:34,860 --> 00:10:33,640 heard that they might do an 250 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:34,870 interrogation was actually the day 251 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:36,640 before so I was like standing by waiting 252 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:38,380 to hear it and I kept poking my head 253 00:10:42,570 --> 00:10:40,330 into combat nothing happened so I kind 254 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:42,580 of gave up on it and then the next day 255 00:10:46,770 --> 00:10:45,130 I'm up smoking and you know guys like a 256 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:46,780 we're you know we're watching the 257 00:10:51,420 --> 00:10:49,450 intercept up knee up in on the o4 which 258 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:51,430 is where the spy Spy deck you know 259 00:10:54,690 --> 00:10:52,960 offices and like all right no 260 00:10:56,130 --> 00:10:54,700 so we hauled ass up there and you know 261 00:10:59,010 --> 00:10:56,140 they were watching it I caught the film 262 00:11:00,780 --> 00:10:59,020 and you know I was like at that point it 263 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:00,790 blew my mind because you know you see 264 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:02,769 the insert you guys 265 00:11:08,939 --> 00:11:05,049 except without all the grainy compressed 266 00:11:12,569 --> 00:11:08,949 garbage and then you would see it 267 00:11:15,059 --> 00:11:12,579 actually him pull the pulled it pull it 268 00:11:16,650 --> 00:11:15,069 out further so that it was more of a 269 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:16,660 field of vision of what it was doing 270 00:11:21,599 --> 00:11:18,970 because it started actually moving in 271 00:11:24,509 --> 00:11:21,609 right angles and moving out of the frame 272 00:11:26,609 --> 00:11:24,519 and but you know you'd think at first I 273 00:11:28,859 --> 00:11:26,619 thought it would be like you know where 274 00:11:31,529 --> 00:11:28,869 he was pulling the camera off and it was 275 00:11:33,029 --> 00:11:31,539 just making it look like it's moving off 276 00:11:35,460 --> 00:11:33,039 the frame but then as he pulled the 277 00:11:37,229 --> 00:11:35,470 camera and the zoom you know pulled the 278 00:11:39,359 --> 00:11:37,239 zoom in so that it was a wider field of 279 00:11:41,309 --> 00:11:39,369 vision you could actually see this thing 280 00:11:43,229 --> 00:11:41,319 take right turns without stopping you 281 00:11:45,539 --> 00:11:43,239 know whether they were it was just the 282 00:11:47,579 --> 00:11:45,549 same acceleration it wasn't slowing down 283 00:11:50,489 --> 00:11:47,589 turning or taking the right turn and 284 00:11:54,299 --> 00:11:50,499 going it was just constant speed right 285 00:11:56,369 --> 00:11:54,309 turn bug-out come back you know a right 286 00:11:59,369 --> 00:11:56,379 a right angle turn left right angle turn 287 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:59,379 right move around figure eight and I 288 00:12:03,869 --> 00:12:00,850 like figure Eight's but I mean tight 289 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:03,879 circles I mean just anything it just 290 00:12:13,549 --> 00:12:06,399 could do anything in any direction any 291 00:12:18,269 --> 00:12:13,559 it could move at you know impossible 292 00:12:21,629 --> 00:12:18,279 ways and whose video was that that you 293 00:12:23,189 --> 00:12:21,639 were seeing that Underwood's as far as I 294 00:12:25,229 --> 00:12:23,199 know it would have been Underwood's I 295 00:12:29,129 --> 00:12:25,239 didn't even know who the pilot was until 296 00:12:32,189 --> 00:12:29,139 this all came out until 2017 that the 297 00:12:34,529 --> 00:12:32,199 prior to hearing the rest of the story 298 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:34,539 from like other perspectives and hearing 299 00:12:38,220 --> 00:12:36,850 the pilots hell I didn't even know who 300 00:12:41,849 --> 00:12:38,230 that who they were what their names were 301 00:12:45,029 --> 00:12:41,859 we saw that video and it's just been you 302 00:12:46,619 --> 00:12:45,039 know every time the close couple buddies 303 00:12:49,529 --> 00:12:46,629 you having a couple of beers you know 304 00:12:51,569 --> 00:12:49,539 hey I'll tell you a story yeah I go and 305 00:12:55,949 --> 00:12:51,579 if I hit a hundred percent true you know 306 00:12:58,259 --> 00:12:55,959 and they're like whoa no way so so you 307 00:12:59,639 --> 00:12:58,269 describe the video that you saw versus 308 00:13:01,139 --> 00:12:59,649 the one that the rest of us is seen 309 00:13:03,719 --> 00:13:01,149 because you're calling the one we're 310 00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:03,729 seeing grainy and compressed right yeah 311 00:13:07,999 --> 00:13:06,399 first of all why do you think we only 312 00:13:10,109 --> 00:13:08,009 have the grainy and compressed one 313 00:13:15,059 --> 00:13:10,119 that's the only one that I've seen as a 314 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:15,069 civilian but but how would it be that 315 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:15,730 the 316 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:17,260 video went from being high-grade to 317 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:20,800 low-grade usually if it was compressed 318 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:23,170 on purpose for the purposes of sending 319 00:13:28,829 --> 00:13:25,660 us an email like if I had to send it off 320 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:28,839 ship we're using shf at the time so he 321 00:13:34,170 --> 00:13:31,990 would have to Benz send over shf and 322 00:13:35,939 --> 00:13:34,180 sent us an email and back then 323 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:35,949 everything had to be I think under four 324 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:39,100 megabytes if that so you would had to 325 00:13:42,660 --> 00:13:40,570 compress the crap out of that which 326 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:42,670 would have created the quality of the 327 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:45,880 film so you don't think it was something 328 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:47,410 that's done intentionally by the 329 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:49,360 military so that the public is seeing 330 00:13:54,990 --> 00:13:52,959 less I think that this is the portion of 331 00:13:58,500 --> 00:13:55,000 the film that actually got out public 332 00:14:01,470 --> 00:13:58,510 and you know if they do have the same 333 00:14:04,379 --> 00:14:01,480 film it would be probably a lot better 334 00:14:06,569 --> 00:14:04,389 quality version of it I think that made 335 00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:06,579 that maybe this the the only length that 336 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:08,560 they still have because it is the meat 337 00:14:13,980 --> 00:14:11,620 and potatoes of the whole thing you see 338 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:13,990 that you see most of what's going on in 339 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:16,570 the film and if they just cut out 340 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:17,889 everything that wasn't you know because 341 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:18,760 you gotta remember there was a lot of 342 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:21,550 flying around a lot of it not in the 343 00:14:26,309 --> 00:14:24,310 frame a lot of just kind of garbage 344 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:26,319 video that really didn't show you 345 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:28,990 anything it wasn't until that the 346 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:31,240 segment you saw and then maybe another 347 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:33,940 three minutes worth after that that 348 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:36,190 would have been for Steven see and then 349 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:38,230 and the rest of it was just the jet 350 00:14:44,189 --> 00:14:40,569 flying around what was it still black 351 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:44,199 and white what you saw uh yeah it was 352 00:14:50,129 --> 00:14:47,769 clear it would say it was still you know 353 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:50,139 clear and then the gun you know him 354 00:14:54,809 --> 00:14:52,660 flipping through each one trying to find 355 00:14:56,370 --> 00:14:54,819 you could like if he if he like if you 356 00:14:58,319 --> 00:14:56,380 were sitting in the cockpit and you're 357 00:15:00,540 --> 00:14:58,329 you're seeing exactly what he was seeing 358 00:15:02,129 --> 00:15:00,550 you could you could imagine exactly what 359 00:15:04,259 --> 00:15:02,139 he was trying to do by the way that he 360 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:04,269 was using the camera you know wouldn't 361 00:15:07,769 --> 00:15:05,860 he at first he was trying to get it in 362 00:15:09,689 --> 00:15:07,779 the frame and then he was flipping 363 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:09,699 through the different now when he flips 364 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,850 through the different cameras what he's 365 00:15:16,769 --> 00:15:14,160 trying to do is he's trying to look for 366 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:16,779 heat signatures he's trying to look for 367 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:18,730 maybe an engine compartment he's looking 368 00:15:22,410 --> 00:15:20,410 for you know using all these different 369 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:22,420 cameras to find out more information 370 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:25,180 about the object it's a it would be a 371 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:26,769 tactic that he would be using with that 372 00:15:29,460 --> 00:15:29,050 camera not just flipping through to see 373 00:15:33,930 --> 00:15:29,470 the best 374 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:33,940 you and they were never able to see any 375 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:36,340 type of appendage to the tic-tac were 376 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:39,550 you in the video that you saw he was at 377 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:41,290 a certain point when he zooms in on it 378 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:42,730 you can actually see that there is 379 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:45,100 something on the bottom I'll be honest I 380 00:15:48,930 --> 00:15:47,350 wasn't paying attention uh from that I 381 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:48,940 know that they were there but I couldn't 382 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:50,500 tell you the exact shape they might have 383 00:15:59,940 --> 00:15:54,760 been you know thicker kind of you know 384 00:16:01,710 --> 00:15:59,950 where you see the the renditions that 385 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:01,720 you see in the nimitz encounter how 386 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:05,350 they're kind of thin oh yeah I know yeah 387 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:06,760 but I think you're a lot thicker than 388 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:08,710 that and maybe like I said it's a I'm 389 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:11,410 basically I'm basically trying to use 15 390 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:12,940 year old memory on it I remember there 391 00:16:23,010 --> 00:16:14,740 being something protruding from the 392 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:23,020 bottom but it was like that could be 393 00:16:30,060 --> 00:16:26,410 used for landing or some type of antenna 394 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:30,070 right yeah that's correct it could it 395 00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:31,510 could have been an antenna it could have 396 00:16:35,850 --> 00:16:33,700 been anything it could have been 397 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:35,860 something used to just hang itself in a 398 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:41,230 mother ship what about barrel rolls 399 00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:43,930 Kevin mentioned that it that it was 400 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:47,440 doing barrel rolls well it could it 401 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:49,660 could move in any way I mean he when he 402 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:50,830 says a barrel roll you gotta remember 403 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:54,190 it's just there's no positional access 404 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:55,930 like when you're watching an f-18 you 405 00:17:00,240 --> 00:16:58,090 can tell you know what's up and what's 406 00:17:01,830 --> 00:17:00,250 down the only way you can tell the 407 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:01,840 difference in anything on this thing is 408 00:17:05,550 --> 00:17:03,700 just by those dependences on the bottom 409 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:05,560 and yeah it would it would it would do 410 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:09,100 barrel rolls they would do ah yeah shoot 411 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:11,910 off so it would come back you would 412 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:13,990 sorry about my little girl just woke 413 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:18,220 that up and she's been a little sick no 414 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:25,420 so yeah you know Kevin described 415 00:17:30,410 --> 00:17:28,260 described them as almost seeming like 416 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:30,420 intelligent life he compared them to 417 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:31,170 birds 418 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:34,200 maybe scattering you know because oh 419 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:36,750 yeah and I could see how he could say 420 00:17:41,570 --> 00:17:38,460 that because they they definitely kind 421 00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:41,580 of reacted to the way the pilots moved 422 00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:43,350 so like if the pilot would move four 423 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,540 degrees to the left it would be you know 424 00:17:49,550 --> 00:17:48,000 it would move an equal distance you know 425 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,560 so that they would never ever gain 426 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:52,320 anything on any of these ships so they 427 00:17:58,490 --> 00:17:53,790 would just move they would just move 428 00:18:00,560 --> 00:17:58,500 over and then come back and then it 429 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:00,570 would be able to move around the bottom 430 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:02,820 and then if you listen to freighters 431 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:04,560 interview you know he you know he 432 00:18:09,170 --> 00:18:06,840 describes how fluidly these things moved 433 00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:09,180 you know they were it wasn't it didn't 434 00:18:13,370 --> 00:18:10,620 seem like they were affected by any type 435 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:13,380 of drag or any type of gravitational 436 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:16,890 force which was they would kind of blew 437 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:18,990 my mind because up until I heard forever 438 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:20,340 talk about it I only kind of 439 00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:22,470 hypothesized and based off the video I 440 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:26,580 saw let's talk about the radar system 441 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,650 that was on board that you're presumably 442 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:30,720 expert in and one thing that Kevin 443 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:33,090 reported was that it had just received 444 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:35,460 some type of significant upgrade are you 445 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:36,590 familiar with that 446 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:39,510 yeah he got upgraded to the six point 447 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:43,320 one baselines for aegis I just included 448 00:18:49,910 --> 00:18:47,610 a fiber system and caught off-the-shelf 449 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:49,920 computer systems that awed mented the 450 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:52,440 rest of the systems which basically gave 451 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:55,530 us more processing power the system 452 00:19:00,920 --> 00:18:58,860 itself is already the best in the world 453 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,930 and probably the most powerful radar in 454 00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:02,460 the planet 455 00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:04,380 I mean the amount the amount of tracks 456 00:19:07,810 --> 00:19:05,790 that this thing can track and the speed 457 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:07,820 that is they can track things has I mean 458 00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:10,770 one of the system parameters photos that 459 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:12,300 it could you know was supposed to be 460 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:15,090 able to track objects going Mach speed 461 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:19,290 at almost near real-time was when you're 462 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:21,330 looking at a regular radar dish so you 463 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:23,670 use a parabolic dish and it has to 464 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:26,100 rotate you know you have a small amount 465 00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:27,600 of small amount of time that you have to 466 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:28,830 wait for that the you know take no 467 00:19:34,670 --> 00:19:30,870 matter how fast it is it can't be faster 468 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:34,680 than spy spy has basically four 469 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:37,050 set the panels with hundreds of feed 470 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:39,300 horns and these feed horns all connect 471 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:41,190 independently of each other and track 472 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:45,780 independent targets so let me ask you 473 00:19:51,010 --> 00:19:49,050 with these tic tacs that you guys first 474 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:51,020 discovered in groups of eight to ten 475 00:19:59,000 --> 00:19:53,310 would those have been picked up by just 476 00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:59,010 a standard radar I'm not sure I didn't 477 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:01,260 hear if the 49 was able to pick them up 478 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:02,850 which is a navigational radar that we 479 00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:06,000 have and I didn't hear if I haven't 480 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:08,940 gotten a straight answer on whether or 481 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:10,650 not the Jets could actually pick them up 482 00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:14,700 on their radars or not but presumably if 483 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:16,620 they are in fact approximately forty 484 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:19,980 five foot long tic-tac shapes physical 485 00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:23,250 objects that should get picked up on 486 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:27,300 regular radar right presumably as long 487 00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:29,970 as it doesn't have some type of issue 488 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:31,230 with it or maybe they might not be 489 00:20:34,820 --> 00:20:32,460 powerful enough because you gonna 490 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:34,830 remember our spy does put out you know a 491 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:39,900 ridiculous amount of power I'm not 492 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:42,230 understanding your point there okay so 493 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:47,010 if say if I'm looking at something 494 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:50,370 that's actively dodging you know say 495 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:52,650 like say I have up to 49 and I stealth 496 00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:54,780 bomber goes by it's gonna look like a 497 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,140 barely a blip on the screen where I'm 498 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:00,360 gonna get a solid track it's just not 499 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:02,160 gonna look right it's gonna it's gonna 500 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:04,200 be it's not gonna it's not gonna come up 501 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:07,230 as a plane and then be dismissed mm-hmm 502 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:12,480 on the spy or if the 49 sees a dense 503 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:15,210 particle you know a dense mass inside of 504 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:17,400 a cloud like say it's uh like ice 505 00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:19,410 crystals forming high up miss fear of 506 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:22,500 clouds it's gonna see that as a solid 507 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,590 object where the the spy radar would not 508 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:30,780 any we can just punch right through that 509 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:35,250 and start and look what's behind it are 510 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:38,130 there's I presume stealth technologies 511 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:41,190 are designed to so that standard radar 512 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:42,450 does not pick them up is that the whole 513 00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:44,610 point yeah because they deflect the 514 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:46,590 radar in many different directions or 515 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:47,710 absorb them 516 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:49,810 most of the current stealth technology 517 00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:52,690 either uses some type of technology to 518 00:21:59,070 --> 00:21:55,750 absorb the RF to make it spread our 519 00:22:01,050 --> 00:21:59,080 cross-section a little to none then 520 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,060 being able to be misdiagnosed as like 521 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:03,760 you know either not seen at all or just 522 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:05,680 misdiagnosed as something different than 523 00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:06,540 what it is 524 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:08,800 and can they does the stealth ik 525 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,630 technology also dupe 526 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:13,840 phased array radar like was what was on 527 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:18,510 the person dead honest I have no idea I 528 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:21,850 never came at tracked we never well I 529 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:23,050 was on board we've never tracked 530 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:26,200 anything stealth that I know of is there 531 00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:28,330 anything about this upgrade that was 532 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:31,600 done that would have made it more likely 533 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:35,500 to see these things compared to before 534 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:38,290 the upgrade well with the upgrades it 535 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:40,450 definitely had more capability more 536 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:44,230 processing power you know it's like the 537 00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:46,030 processing power of the computer systems 538 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:48,520 prior to the upgrade was probably the 539 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:50,950 equivalent of like a scientific 540 00:22:58,380 --> 00:22:54,130 calculator you know one of the old ones 541 00:23:00,330 --> 00:22:58,390 you use when you were taking calc but 542 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:00,340 once we did the upgrade you know it went 543 00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:03,730 to a cop off-the-shelf PC system where 544 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:06,640 it had a much much much broader spectrum 545 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:09,190 of its abilities and and basically it's 546 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:11,500 kind of like you know giving it 547 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:13,750 superpowers really he's kind of just 548 00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:15,850 beefs the entire system up makes it more 549 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:17,560 capable it makes it more you know able 550 00:23:21,870 --> 00:23:20,110 to process these things a lot faster so 551 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:21,880 that it can actually determine what it's 552 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:25,060 looking at a lot easier so what do you 553 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:27,550 think about a theory that these things 554 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:30,070 had been out there before but they 555 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:33,030 weren't detected until the upgrade 556 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:36,040 that's that's one possibility I think 557 00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:39,070 that we've been detecting them but 558 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:41,800 they've been dismissed you know a I have 559 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:43,510 a feeling that a lot of times we've been 560 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:45,490 picking these things up with ships even 561 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,190 when since ever since radar was created 562 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:51,760 but due to the stigma you know no 563 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:53,410 captain wants to be the guy that tracked 564 00:23:56,820 --> 00:23:54,490 UFOs 565 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:56,830 mm-hmm but you would never encountered 566 00:24:01,170 --> 00:23:57,730 anything like it before 567 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:01,180 in over how many years I was on board 568 00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,130 the ship for about four years 569 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,440 mmm I mean yeah we had never tracked 570 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,480 anything like that but if we had tracked 571 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:09,520 it if it was just came on the scope then 572 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:11,980 went off the scope and then never came 573 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,380 back you know we would have just 574 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:16,240 dismissed it as nothing but clutter and 575 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:19,300 gone just the fact that these things 576 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:20,920 stayed for so long it's probably the 577 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,270 only reason that we really even noticed 578 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:24,640 that they were there okay 579 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:27,370 so during the break Michael and I were 580 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,950 kind of talking about the the video and 581 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:31,840 it's the quality of the video versus 582 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:34,780 what you saw what you saw 583 00:24:40,550 --> 00:24:36,850 theoretically is still in the possession 584 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:40,560 of the Navy right now theoretically yes 585 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:43,240 they've said that they don't have one 586 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,370 longer they never said that it was of 587 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:47,440 lesser quality or the same quality or 588 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:49,960 anything like that but I kind of have a 589 00:24:54,510 --> 00:24:51,940 hard time believing that personally I 590 00:25:01,890 --> 00:24:54,520 got a feeling that they've got the 591 00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:01,900 entire flight still on film but the you 592 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:04,600 don't know if you know like you guys 593 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:06,160 were just discussing I happened to hear 594 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:07,870 a little bit of it yeah you know I think 595 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:09,940 he's dead right I mean if it was our 596 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:11,530 tech you know there could have been 597 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:13,900 identifiers on it it could have been you 598 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:14,950 know could you remember in the original 599 00:25:19,530 --> 00:25:17,530 film you also see all of the 600 00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:19,540 navigational data and the FLIR data 601 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:22,390 that's around the edges so you're seeing 602 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:24,970 the bearing the speed you know you can 603 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:26,650 tell what you're looking at a lot better 604 00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,330 and you can tell a lot more 605 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:30,880 environmental information and you know 606 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:33,670 what it's doing and it's also got the 607 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:35,320 little ridges and the edges that show 608 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:37,810 the markers of how fast it's moving so 609 00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:39,970 that they can calculate like that that's 610 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:41,560 only in the original video you're saying 611 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:42,970 the one that you said that would be only 612 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:44,290 in the yeah that would only be an 613 00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:47,290 original the actual original tape taken 614 00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:50,140 off jet and am I correct that the video 615 00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:52,590 that we're seeing that was never 616 00:25:59,370 --> 00:25:56,350 officially Navy released video this was 617 00:26:01,980 --> 00:25:59,380 leaked video yeah from from what I'm 618 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,990 gathering from well think people like 619 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:03,760 Kevin and stuff that say they saw that 620 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:05,890 same video you know the next day and 621 00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:07,660 their email I 622 00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:10,540 I'm basically taking one plus one equals 623 00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:12,940 two if somebody decided to take that 624 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:14,920 video or at least a good snippet of the 625 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:17,410 meat potatoes compress it and say hey 626 00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:20,380 guys check this out you know sending it 627 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:22,180 out you know say alright this is what we 628 00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:24,250 saw check it out you know for those that 629 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:26,620 weren't you know pervy to actually see 630 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:28,510 the whole video on the on the actual 631 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:31,450 secret land I assume you've read this 632 00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:34,180 news about the the FOIA request response 633 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:38,520 by the Navy yeah and I can understand 634 00:26:41,790 --> 00:26:40,600 there's a couple of reasons why I would 635 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:41,800 think that they would say that would be 636 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:44,680 you know of grave danger to release any 637 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:47,680 of it one of it could be a it can prove 638 00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:51,070 that we're not the dominant people in 639 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:53,830 our skies or it could prove that we have 640 00:26:59,150 --> 00:26:56,170 a technology that well makes us the most 641 00:27:02,790 --> 00:26:59,160 dominant force on the entire planet I 642 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:02,800 mean either way you wouldn't want 643 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,450 anybody to know well yeah but the Navy 644 00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:10,960 did confirm that the video that we see 645 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:14,470 is real and that these pilots did in 646 00:27:21,290 --> 00:27:18,970 fact encounter a UAP which I find that 647 00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:21,300 interesting that the Navy was willing to 648 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:25,540 confirm that was kind of a this' our 649 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:28,300 technology I kind of make that make the 650 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:30,070 assumption it's kind of like if you uh 651 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:32,020 you know you're run into somebody that 652 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:35,110 looks rough and you don't really want to 653 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:37,510 mess with them but then you know he 654 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:39,400 shows you he has a gun you definitely 655 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:40,270 don't want to mess with you you don't 656 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:41,650 know if the guns real you don't know if 657 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,970 it's loaded you don't know anything 658 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:45,760 about it but you know that it's a 659 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:47,410 possibility that yet is something that 660 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:50,380 could just completely end your life you 661 00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:55,030 know I mean that could be I'm just I'm 662 00:27:59,670 --> 00:27:57,100 speculating based off the fact that it 663 00:28:01,620 --> 00:27:59,680 could possibly be our technology if it's 664 00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:01,630 not our technology they may just not 665 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:03,550 have a clue on how to deal with it and 666 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:06,040 you might have one guy that says hey you 667 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:08,380 know we should just be open about this 668 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:10,780 and then another guy that it's like you 669 00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:12,130 know all of a sudden I can't come down 670 00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:13,780 the chain of command saying no no no no 671 00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:15,460 no that's not what we're gonna do this 672 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,380 is what we're gonna do and that does 673 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:19,840 happen a lot in the military 674 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:21,980 because all's it takes is the next 675 00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:25,760 higher guy to say yeah no no that was 676 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:27,920 wrong no no you know you're uh you're 677 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:31,010 now one less rank and having to do the 678 00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:34,610 same grunt job so Kevin took note about 679 00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:36,560 the fact that the captain seemed 680 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:40,580 somewhat disinterested in what was 681 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:43,730 observed and this is a pair of report on 682 00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:47,930 it no he he kind of felt like even today 683 00:28:52,030 --> 00:28:49,670 like if you wouldn't asked him about it 684 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:52,040 today he would say I don't recall that 685 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:53,870 incident happening and I don't know 686 00:28:57,790 --> 00:28:55,690 anything about anything that happened 687 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:57,800 anywhere remotely or what you're talking 688 00:29:01,840 --> 00:28:59,450 about he wants nothing to do with this 689 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:01,850 hostage has he made any public 690 00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:05,330 statements I don't think I don't believe 691 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:07,100 that he's made any public statements I 692 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:11,920 noticed when he was talked to he just 693 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:14,960 basically said I don't have no idea what 694 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:17,450 you're talking about and that's all the 695 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:19,910 response that he's given any of us who 696 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:22,850 was it that he was speaking to I believe 697 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:32,590 sorry Michael sending me a note has who 698 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:35,570 been promoted the captain what is it is 699 00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:36,770 the captain still in the military I 700 00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:38,840 think he's retired now I think he's 701 00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:40,520 actually a diplomat 702 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:46,820 a diplomat and was he ever promoted in 703 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:49,970 rank after this incident I know I don't 704 00:29:58,450 --> 00:29:56,000 know idea and then the Admiral also 705 00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:58,460 didn't do a report about it and 706 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:01,010 apparently flavor has spoken out about 707 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:03,470 that and thought that you know bottom 708 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:04,900 line our report should have been issued 709 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:06,980 bottom line this whole thing should have 710 00:30:14,590 --> 00:30:10,310 been taken taken very serious as far as 711 00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:14,600 I'm concerned you mean we had some type 712 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:17,380 of flying object that could outperform 713 00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:20,660 the most advanced flying machine on the 714 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:21,680 planet at the time 715 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:23,930 yeah the f-18 Super Hornet there was 716 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:25,370 nothing that could really apply those 717 00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:27,320 there's things that were maybe we could 718 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:29,420 argue were more maneuverable than those 719 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:31,190 Jets but there's just there was nothing 720 00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:32,120 as cutting 721 00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:37,670 yes well a good theory could be that the 722 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:40,460 captain and the Admiral were in on this 723 00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:42,890 they were privy to exactly what it was 724 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:44,900 and hence the reason why they were 725 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:47,660 nonplussed about it and are not making a 726 00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:50,330 big deal about it and they that could be 727 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:52,550 I mean it would be a perfect time to try 728 00:30:56,650 --> 00:30:54,650 to do proof of concept of like say they 729 00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,660 refined a certain system on these ships 730 00:31:01,030 --> 00:30:58,640 and they needed to figure out whether or 731 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:01,040 not the you know the current spy radar 732 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:02,930 could see them or they were just 733 00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:04,940 straight testing the strip itself out 734 00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:08,360 versus what we know to be the most our 735 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:11,150 most advanced our latest or greatest you 736 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:13,490 know that very well could be they might 737 00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:16,010 have been just told not worried about it 738 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:20,900 so Pete PJ Hughes says that that to Air 739 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,260 Force personnel came and took his bricks 740 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,240 from him off the Nimitz you're aware of 741 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:29,120 that right yes so that connects the Air 742 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:31,040 Force to this event what do you make of 743 00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:34,160 that all the Air Force has a traditional 744 00:31:38,290 --> 00:31:36,680 history of you know taking yeah taking 745 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:38,300 control when it comes to domestic air 746 00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:40,250 flights and airspace in the United 747 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:44,840 States so I mean when it comes down to 748 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:47,510 it you ApS would be their domain just 749 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:49,610 naturally being granted the Navy has 750 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:52,160 more airplanes and it's more more 751 00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,230 everything than the Air Force does but 752 00:31:59,140 --> 00:31:56,840 that's just the point pride but that 753 00:32:02,170 --> 00:31:59,150 would be the air force moving incredibly 754 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:02,180 quickly because I think he said the 755 00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:04,450 bricks were taken from him the same day 756 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:07,100 well it really wouldn't be because me 757 00:32:11,410 --> 00:32:08,690 gonna remember we were tracking these 758 00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:11,420 things for over a week I mean it is not 759 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:13,940 improbable that they received message 760 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:16,550 traffic that we were tracking unknowns 761 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,170 you mean we just assumed that the 762 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:19,760 captain and the Admirals were doing 763 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:21,740 nothing they may not have made any 764 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,570 official reports but they could have 765 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:26,000 reported this you know I mean he 766 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:28,190 remembered the amount of unknowns in 767 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:30,470 this thing could you know fill the Grand 768 00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:32,570 Canyon I wish I wish I had way more 769 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:34,040 information just like the rest of you 770 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:37,250 but I mean in my mind you know the 771 00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:38,840 higher-ups had to have been talking to 772 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:41,660 somebody I mean our captain seemed very 773 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:42,950 nonchalant about it and seemed almost 774 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,510 happy that he didn't have to deal with 775 00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:46,380 it so 776 00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:50,620 but to send some I don't know that tends 777 00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:51,880 to demonstrate taking it very seriously 778 00:32:58,770 --> 00:32:56,020 if they're flying in a helicopter out to 779 00:33:00,390 --> 00:32:58,780 the Nimitz within hours the type of 780 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:00,400 people that would be investigating 781 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:02,290 something like this you know a captain 782 00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:06,280 of a ship would be like you know they're 783 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:08,620 them versus the people investigating it 784 00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:10,330 would be just like the captain versus me 785 00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:13,030 anywhere I'm very insignificant if I'm 786 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:15,280 told to shut my mouth at the time yeah 787 00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:15,910 all right 788 00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,800 I'm not going to talk about it you know 789 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:19,980 if they if they had made me sign a you 790 00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,610 know an NDA we wouldn't be talking right 791 00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:28,240 now you know I mean that's according to 792 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:30,040 PJ there were a number of NDA's that 793 00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:33,310 were signed yeah and I think that that 794 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:38,320 was kind of a situation I found to be a 795 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:42,490 little odd and I it's either the only 796 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:43,750 thing I could think of is either 797 00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:45,880 they recorded information and saw 798 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:48,520 something that we all didn't that at 799 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:51,430 that point they considered they needed 800 00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:54,370 to have that in the assigned or their 801 00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:56,140 chain of command their direct chain of 802 00:34:01,860 --> 00:33:59,710 command jumped the gun because it you 803 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:01,870 know because the flight the flight crews 804 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:03,820 have their own commanders like as you 805 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,770 found out commander freighter was his 806 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:07,360 own commander his flight group black 807 00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:09,610 cases though they would have their own 808 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:13,149 commander to I mean then these guys you 809 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:15,070 know they may not want any of anybody's 810 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:16,929 guys talking about what they saw you 811 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:18,820 know they said you know keeping keep it 812 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:19,990 under wraps because we don't want to 813 00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:21,730 hear another word about it yeah and then 814 00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:23,560 they jump the gun make these guys sign 815 00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:25,120 NDA's now they can't talk to anybody 816 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:27,879 even other service members at least not 817 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:30,010 on the record why would you refer to 818 00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,429 that as jumping the gun because what I'm 819 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:35,919 saying is I used that term by by saying 820 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:39,850 that if he was yeah if they just did it 821 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:42,129 without the chain of command telling 822 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:44,440 them you know so like the commander crew 823 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:46,659 of that stripe of that group that air 824 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:49,510 deck just decides all right have these 825 00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,550 guys sign NDA's without the actual 826 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:53,679 captain saying I say because if it had 827 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:54,700 been the captain of the Admiral 828 00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:56,050 presumably a lot more people would have 829 00:34:58,350 --> 00:34:57,100 signed NDA's 830 00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:58,360 yeah because then it 831 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:00,310 went down to anybody that had access to 832 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:02,080 this information like on our ship 833 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:04,060 everybody on our ship would have had to 834 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:04,750 sign an NDA 835 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:07,810 you know everybody on the Nimitz would 836 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:10,030 have had to sign an NDA so maybe they 837 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:13,570 just need to jump the gun on it or those 838 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:15,580 particular people saw something the rest 839 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:17,950 of us didn't and I was beloved to know 840 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:21,520 exactly what they saw so like PJ you had 841 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:23,620 your own encounter with gentlemen that 842 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,990 came on board the ship in order to take 843 00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:28,480 bricks correct well I don't have brakes 844 00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:31,060 sell minor optical disk drives 845 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:34,540 yeah we do all the recording for the 846 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:37,510 aegis system and part of our upgrade was 847 00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,420 to optical disk drives so we had a 848 00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:42,190 couple of you know there they were three 849 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:45,670 three gig disks and I had a lot of them 850 00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:48,850 full from the entire week okay so kind 851 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:50,230 of walking through that walks through 852 00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:53,710 that story where you're working in the 853 00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:57,520 smash and crash team which I heard you 854 00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:58,810 described in an interview which is 855 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:00,970 basically god forbid was a helicopter 856 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:03,010 crash you guys are there to tend to it 857 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:05,260 yeah those guys you know those guys all 858 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:07,990 respond to any type I if the craft like 859 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,640 the helicopter crashes into the deck 860 00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:11,680 like say the tit ship takes a roll just 861 00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:14,740 as he's trying to land it's a very good 862 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:16,780 possibility that one of those blades 863 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:18,610 might hit the deck and then you got a 864 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:21,580 big problem so the crash smash teams to 865 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:24,310 respond to any type of crashes literally 866 00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:27,130 on the deck so as they're sitting up 867 00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:28,840 there waiting for they Stella copter 868 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:31,270 come down we're watching people get you 869 00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:32,590 know you just sit there you watch people 870 00:36:38,090 --> 00:36:35,560 get out of the helicopter and then you 871 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,100 know a couple of guys really close 872 00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:41,920 nothing no men in black nothing out of 873 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:44,200 the ordinary hold on remind me exactly 874 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:46,570 when was this in the I'm frame of 875 00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:49,870 everything probably same day that saw 876 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:51,550 the video so it'd have been later in the 877 00:36:57,350 --> 00:36:55,180 day early evening of the day flavor 878 00:36:59,370 --> 00:36:57,360 encountered them and then under would 879 00:37:03,270 --> 00:36:59,380 encountered them okay so later in that 880 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,280 day you see a helicopter land and a 881 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:05,680 couple plainclothes guys get out and a 882 00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:08,710 cut with a couple military guys no 883 00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:10,840 military guys is those two guys popped 884 00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:11,900 off 885 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:14,870 and then the helicopter flew away the 886 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:18,770 helicopter didn't stay for and then and 887 00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:21,410 and I I know it's a long space it was a 888 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:23,840 long time ago but describe what they 889 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:24,890 were wearing to the best of your 890 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:32,090 recollection polo shirts and khakis they 891 00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:33,890 were they they were just dressed normal 892 00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,670 like normal business casual okay and 893 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:40,000 then you end up seeing them again right 894 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:43,370 yeah they're down in a combat central 895 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:48,050 which is just the space where all of the 896 00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:50,740 combat systems are directed from and 897 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:55,520 it's it's a different from the actual 898 00:38:00,820 --> 00:37:58,010 combat Center which is where all those 899 00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:00,830 big consoles you stuff are so I got 900 00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:02,840 called down there and they said we need 901 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,300 all your tapes and any tapes you didn't 902 00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:08,960 record on you have to erase and then 903 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:10,580 they made it very clear that even the 904 00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:13,700 ones that are still oil and plastic so 905 00:38:18,910 --> 00:38:15,560 turned over everything I had recorded 906 00:38:22,330 --> 00:38:18,920 and then I went to the task 907 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:22,340 erasing tapes which takes forever was 908 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:23,780 there any doubt in your mind at that 909 00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:25,610 time that they were asking for these 910 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:28,070 because of these tic tacs you guys that 911 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:31,070 had encountered that no doubt at all but 912 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:33,110 then again it's not too unusual for that 913 00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:35,060 to happen during any event we had an 914 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:38,120 event during the last deployment that we 915 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:40,850 had eight see we had some type of 916 00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:42,470 aircraft that went down into the ocean 917 00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:45,140 and of course spike recorded it going 918 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:48,200 down and all that right after that event 919 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:50,450 we had to relinquish those tapes to and 920 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:52,760 you give those tapes to I have my chain 921 00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:56,150 of command this this time you know I 922 00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:57,830 actually saw the people that were taking 923 00:39:01,300 --> 00:38:59,390 the tapes which is a little different 924 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,310 usually it would just be my chief 925 00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:03,440 they've come down taking from me and 926 00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:05,960 then to give them to whoever and this 927 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:08,420 stunt this time I didn't have a chief at 928 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:11,210 the time yeah he wasn't we didn't we are 929 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,750 chief at right after deployment left so 930 00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:16,160 they were waiting to fill that billet 931 00:39:22,090 --> 00:39:20,300 and so there was basically just me and 932 00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:22,100 two guys that came on after the 933 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:22,700 tournament 934 00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:25,470 they were both q70 guys 935 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:30,000 and sorry q70 is the what they're 936 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:33,150 calling the 6:1 baseline it's been the 937 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:34,770 newer caught off the self systems are 938 00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,210 all called q70 and then the the acting 939 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:46,859 chief at the time was down there he 940 00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:48,630 handed the tapes right to those guys 941 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,520 they went and then we went back to my 942 00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:52,440 quarters and they were gone mm-hmm 943 00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:54,440 so who do you think those two guys were 944 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:56,790 we're basically all your experience in 945 00:39:59,300 --> 00:39:57,930 the military and dealing with this kind 946 00:40:03,230 --> 00:39:59,310 of stuff those guys most likely were 947 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:03,240 from where if I had to guess probably 948 00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:06,570 point Ronny me because that's where a 949 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,080 lot of the CC systems were developed a 950 00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:12,300 lot of our Aegis stuff you know when we 951 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,580 go to you know so there's a there's a 952 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:18,000 lot of stuff that they develop over and 953 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:22,140 on that base and why wouldn't they be in 954 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:25,560 uniform um they could have been civilian 955 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:29,670 contractors it could have been out of 956 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:33,300 the uniform I I don't really know who 957 00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,369 they were so I couldn't really venture 958 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:38,339 to guess exactly who they were with if 959 00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,410 they were wearing uniform or some type 960 00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:42,359 of insignia or where identified in any 961 00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:43,589 way but I was just told not to worry 962 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:44,900 about it 963 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:47,130 civilian contractors would seem kind of 964 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:51,359 an odd entity to give it to no not 965 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:53,010 really because you know remember 966 00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,950 Sicilians developed all these systems 967 00:40:59,359 --> 00:40:57,119 college systems are developed by 968 00:41:02,510 --> 00:40:59,369 companies that use civilian contractors 969 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:02,520 like whenever we get back into port they 970 00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:05,070 do a data dump on all of those systems 971 00:41:09,859 --> 00:41:07,830 to check performance to see how well 972 00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:09,869 they did see if there's any problems 973 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:12,119 with them you know especially if there 974 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:14,190 was any critical errors which luckily 975 00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,570 for us on this trip there really were 976 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,060 none everything was working perfect so 977 00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,920 is that where the video would have 978 00:41:25,339 --> 00:41:22,260 resided on those disks that you hand it 979 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:25,349 over no mine would be raw statistical 980 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,020 data from the from the radars you would 981 00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:31,920 have needed a special program to be able 982 00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:33,750 even see the data like you had would 983 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:35,190 have had to have an interface to see it 984 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,940 so so it was just data no for 985 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:41,220 since video of what the radar system 986 00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,410 would have been picking up no wouldn't 987 00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,960 it never been in any actual video just 988 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:47,880 it would have been all of the data from 989 00:41:52,099 --> 00:41:50,250 the radars so if you stuck it into 990 00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:52,109 another system like that land-based 991 00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:54,270 version of the system to replay it you 992 00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:56,550 would just see tracks on screen you 993 00:42:02,270 --> 00:41:58,589 would see environmental data if you were 994 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:02,280 to use it as I know that they use it 995 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,690 like they have a program that just 996 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:05,460 basically pulls all the information and 997 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:09,089 turns it into database sheets you know 998 00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:10,290 where they can sift through the 999 00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,119 information and then the only other 1000 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:14,400 thing you're gonna see is code so 1001 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:17,970 there's no such thing as video of the 1002 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,210 radar picking these things up the videos 1003 00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:23,730 changed the code when it is imported so 1004 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:26,579 it's it's it is there it's just not not 1005 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,470 what you would see if you tried that 1006 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:30,599 like if I had the tape here today yeah 1007 00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,950 and I tried to hook it into an optical 1008 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:34,260 drive into my computer it would come up 1009 00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,630 as garbling kook unless I had all the 1010 00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:38,880 programs that you were used to make them 1011 00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:41,579 and you know if I had I'd have to have a 1012 00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:43,470 simulation of the aegis system at my 1013 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:45,660 house and if you had that though then 1014 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,950 you could essentially replay what 1015 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:49,380 everybody saw yeah you good over and 1016 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:50,750 over and over just like you were there 1017 00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:55,650 and that was what the crazy thing about 1018 00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,500 CEC is is that it takes all of that data 1019 00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:00,720 from our ship but it also takes that 1020 00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:03,329 same data from every single ship in the 1021 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:05,910 battle group and makes a bigger picture 1022 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:08,730 and a more clear and defined picture and 1023 00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:13,920 with the CEC data and that data you 1024 00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,099 could make it very very clear what 1025 00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:19,079 exactly these objects did and how they 1026 00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:22,680 moved so favor is unequivocal that 1027 00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:26,040 nothing was taken from his group now is 1028 00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:30,359 that seem odd considering they took 1029 00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,710 something from you and they took 1030 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:33,359 something from the bricks from the 1031 00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:35,010 Nimitz that that pertained to the 1032 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:38,040 Hawkeye well it would seem odd that an 1033 00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:39,930 officer a flight officer would even know 1034 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:43,020 about anything that was taken off I mean 1035 00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:45,569 none of our officers had anything to do 1036 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:48,270 with our quarters my Devo wouldn't even 1037 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:49,890 unless my Devo came down and 1038 00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:51,460 specifically asked to come down 1039 00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:54,070 division officer I don't even think I 1040 00:44:00,450 --> 00:43:57,790 saw her the entire time but favor is a 1041 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:00,460 squadron commander of the Black Aces 1042 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:02,890 only okay but does that include 1043 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:05,980 Underwood it could I don't know if 1044 00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:08,770 Underwood was in it I'm assuming that 1045 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:10,120 there's more than one squadron on a 1046 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:14,800 aircraft carrier I see but in order to 1047 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:17,890 get the the video that we have which is 1048 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:20,170 Underwood's video that would have come 1049 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:22,330 off of what right off of his plane off 1050 00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:25,570 of the plane Whitaker it would have come 1051 00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:27,190 from the original video and like I said 1052 00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:29,080 I think somebody had actually somewhere 1053 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:30,940 at some point compressed it to send it 1054 00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,920 as an email to somebody and then that 1055 00:44:36,570 --> 00:44:34,960 got out thank you again to Garry 1056 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:36,580 Voorhees for appearing on the hidden 1057 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,290 truth show I want to share one thing 1058 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:39,970 that we looked into after our interview 1059 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:44,110 so captain red Smith was the captain of 1060 00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:46,570 the Princeton at the time of the 1061 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:49,240 incident Voorhees reported that he later 1062 00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:51,130 went on and received a large promotion 1063 00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:53,620 we looked into that and read Smith 1064 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,620 approximately five years after the 1065 00:45:00,360 --> 00:44:58,480 incident he was given the position of 1066 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,370 Foreign Affairs specialist for Africa at 1067 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:02,760 u.s. naval forces Europe and Africa and 1068 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:05,770 commander of the 6th fleet he still 1069 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:08,110 holds that position today so captain red 1070 00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:10,840 Smith for the past 10 years has been the 1071 00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:14,540 commander of the 6th fleet in Africa 1072 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:18,599 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